“How Old Are You?” - Is That a Legal Question?

Michele O'Connor, GoliathJobs.comby Michele O’Connor

Here is an article from Retirement-Jobs on the big question; “How Old Are You?” Very interesting and it addresses a common misconception of whether that question is legal or not.

How Old Are You?
(from Retirement-Jobs)

Would it be illegal if a recruiter asked, “How old are you?” If you are like the majority of age 50+ job seekers, I’ll wager you answered with a confident “yes.” Surprisingly, it is not illegal to ask a candidate their age - not a good idea perhaps, but not illegal. While it may fly in the face of what you know about the Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA), the question itself is legal. What would be illegal is to use your age as a factor in any hiring or employment decisions. Seems like too fine a point? Well, like so much of antidiscrimination law, there are very lines between illegal behavior and illegal behavior that can be proven.

Be Prepared
How would you react if a recruiter asked you your age? While you may not be asked this precise question, you should know in advance of a phone or in-person interview, how you’ll react and what you’ll say. So much of what we believe or “know” about age discrimination is vague and often ambiguous - and bad news for age 50+ workers. Most of all, our opinions about age bias will influence our behavior during a job search and when employed. It’s important to understand the principles of age discrimination law, but more important to understand how to deal with it.

Age bias in hiring and employment may be the last socially acceptable form of discrimination. While the ADEA makes age-based discrimination in hiring, pay, benefits, training, advancement and termination illegal, many people over the age of 50, and increasingly 40, believe that age bias still exists and affects them. Various surveys and research indicate that between 80% and 95% of people over age 50 believe that “age bias is a fact of life.” The published statistics about age discrimination claims unfortunately don’t support common perceptions about the actual extent and power of age bias.

What Do You Believe?
Rather than debate whether age discrimination is perception or reality, let’s focus on what you can, and what you can’t do to cope with concerns about age or length of work experience during a job search or in holding on to your current job. Normal job search anxiety is exaggerated by our fear, perhaps certainty, that we will confront age bias. Anticipation of age bias prevents age 50+ job seekers from mounting our best effort.

First, let’s examine your age bias belief level. Be honest and ask yourself if you answer these statements with a “yes”.

“My application or resume is never acknowledged”
“The interviewer was young enough to be my child - they don’t value my experience”
“I’m passed over for additional training that I need to stay current”
“The jobs always go the young, good looking people”
“The minute they looked at my gray hair, I knew I had no chance”
” The promotions go to the young up-and-comers and experience is ignored”
“I was laid off and within a month a young person was hired to do my job”
“Whenever there is a layoff, the oldest go first”
“Employers will say that I’m overqualified and become bored with the job”
“I’ve heard comments about the “dinosaurs” and “old people” being in the way”
How did you do? Count your “yes” answers. One to three - You’re the CEO, you’re not 40 yet, or you don’t talk enough with co-workers Four to six - You’re on you’re way to be convinced that you’ve been targeted for discrimination Seven or more - You’re a true believer and a pretty safe bet your behavior and outlook will be adversely affected by your age bias concerns

I’m not trying to make light of concerns about age bias. I am trying to get you to think about what you can and cannot do about the reality, or self-fulfilling perceptions, of age bias.

Things You Can and Can’t Do About Age Bias
Let’s start with the things you can’t do about discriminatory employer behavior or decisions:

You Can’t Compel Employers to Communicate - Stop thinking it’s you or something you did (or didn’t do) to hear nothing from the employer you applied to. Contemporary recruiting practices seldom provide information to applicants - no acknowledgement other that an “auto reply” message; long delays or no invitation to interview; no feedback following interviews; and no explanation or notice of rejection. The sheer volume of applicants combined with electronic communications can feel impersonal. Employers have become extremely cautious about what they say to candidates and employees. Stop expecting promptness and responsiveness - it’s up to you to be persistent.

You Can’t Dictate Your Employer’s Employment Decisions or Behaviors - Managers and executives will generally make decisions about hiring and firing based on the financial condition of the organization. This will often lead them to make staff reductions based on financial factors. Now this may not seem fair, but here’s the deal - older, and long service employees often are better paid than younger co-workers and their healthcare and retirement income costs may be higher.

Employers may decide to lay off more costly employees - This is permissible as long as age is not the basis for the decision. This brings up the question of “early retirement” or “early out packages.” Being offered “a package” can be a heart rending situation. Regrettably, accepting such an offer often brings a “release of liability” clause prohibiting you from later bringing a financial claim suit for age discrimination. The best you can do is get advice and think long and hard before accepting or rejecting.

You (Generally) Can’t Challenge Management’s Authority to Make Employment Decisions -
Unless you have sufficient evidence or cause to believe that age played a part in promotional decisions, the law preserves management’s authority to make employment decisions. You may not agree, you may not like it, you may have been passed over for advancement - there’s not much you can do other than file an age discrimination complaint or claim. This is not an action that will endear you to your employer but is often your only recourse other than grinning and bearing.

You Can’t Challenge (Legitimate) Job Requirements - Employers are permitted to establish “bona fide” (legitimate and real) job qualifications and they can even refer to age. Example - An advertising agency can require that a model for teen’s clothes not be older than a given age. Employers are generally very careful about setting job qualifications - and they may appear to be discriminatory. Work in a grocery store may require “the ability to routinely lift packages up to 60 pounds.” There are cases when you can request a “reasonable accommodation” to permit you to perform the job, but this is generally the only way around job requirements. Look for a different job.

Industry Patterns and Company Cultures - Laws and management principles notwithstanding, there are certain industries and companies that are historically, culturally (and possibly financially) predisposed to favor younger workers. You can lament and complain about this situation, but the practical thing to do is consider other industries or occupations, or find that exceptional employer that values employees for their capabilities and contributions, regardless of age.

Now, what can you do to avoid or overcome age bias?
Know Your Rights - Become familiar with the fundamental rights provided by federal and state ADEA laws. You may choose to not always pursue or enforce these rights, but you should know what is, and is not permissible. Refer to this AARP explanation of your rights under the ADEA (Click Here).

Be Clear on Your Objectives - Examine your personal and work life, and inventory your knowledge, skills, capabilities and achievements. Get some career advice and select the occupation or profession in which you are most apt to prosper. Consider what you most enjoy doing. Identify specific employers and know just the type job you want. Get it all down in a clear and concise resume. Your clarity and confidence of purpose will come through to employers.

Be At Your Best - This may sound a little silly, but look and be at your best. Splurge on a new interview outfit (even if that 30-year old suit still fits); be well groomed; maintain your personal fitness to the highest possible level; make sure health and medical conditions are under control; be well rested; research the employer and display your knowledge; be confident and poised; practice for interviews with a friend or professional; and finally, put all concerns about your age and the threat of age bias out of your mind. Incidentally, don’t let up if you’re already employed - do your job as well as you can.

Be a Continuous Learner - Whether you are a candidate or employee, always be growing and learning. This is particularly important for your computer skills and knowledge. Ability to use a computer, use email, perform internet research, and handle basic applications such as word processing are not optional anymore. Inability to make even basic use of a computer is a cause for rejection in all but a handful of jobs - many of which you wouldn’t want. Buy a computer, set up an internet account, and take lessons. While you’re at it, arrange for a mobile phone. PC skills and a cell phone are powerful ways to show you are “tech savvy” and not a dinosaur.

Look and Work in the Right Places - Many industries and employers are aware of the value of older workers. Search them out and apply for work. If you’re already working for an age friendly employer, do everything you can to hold onto the job.
It might be a tired old saying, but relating to age bias, “know the things you can change, the things you can’t, and the wisdom to know the difference.”

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Dual-Unemployed Spouses

David Mezzapelle - Founder, GoliathJobs.comBy David Mezzapelle

In the current economic climate it is not difficult to find a household where both spouses are out of work. When you add that to the fact that a majority of those people have children, mortgages, insurance and taxes, it is quite a stressful situation. GoliathJobs in conjunction with The Wall Street Journal, did a story on this topic featuring a family in New Canaan Connecticut that recently experienced this exact scenario.

The wife worked for GE Capital as a Loan Manager and the husband was a Trust Officer with UBS. She lost her job in Nov (2008) and he was terminated in December. Neither layoff was based on performance - they were both downsized. Her severance was for 6 months and he did not receive any severance.

At First

At first it was tough for them, they felt empty when Mondays rolled around but at least their children were in school instead of hanging around. They started feeling sorry for themselves. Tensions built up quickly and they would snap at each other over the dumbest things. Financial constraints hit home during the holidays and explaining that to their kids was difficult. However, within a few weeks they got a handle on improving the situation.

During the day they would network to find new employment. They actually networked for each other among family, friends, business contacts, etc. When you combine each other’s resource list it is amazing how much further you can dig. One of our GoliathJobs‘ Support Reps actually advised them to go this route and it ultimately proved successful.

Evenings & weekends they continued on like before but were much more careful about expenditures (i.e. restaurants, trips, clothes, etc). They still enjoyed wine but had certainly lowered their price point! Taking walks, exercising and spending more time with their children actually added to their job search efficiency. Exercise always makes tough times more tolerable and keeps the head clear. Financially they were ok but unfortunately many of their investments had taken hits. They admit that both sets of parents were very frugal - now they respect and see why.

The bottom line for this couple was to not dwell on the current situation and simply look forward to the future. Positive thinking & optimism had ultimately made them closer.

Effective Tactics

We spoke with many couples that were going through this hardship and came up with a list of the most common effective tactics:

*No discussion on the job loss topic is permitted at night or on the weekends. One couple actually made a bet that if one slips the other has to cook dinner that night and clean.
*Critiquing each other’s emails and resumes. Constructive criticism is important.
*Mock interviews and videos (to see where the other person was weak). “My husband kept telling me that i need to be more relaxed during an interview. Once we started videotaping the sessions he was able to point out my less-relaxed nuances. Keeping that in mind I am careful to avoid those flaws now. Conversely, I kept telling him to talk louder during his interviews. I finally showed a close friend a copy of one of the tapes. As soon as she commented he improved his decibels!”
*Help each other network and share contacts. In the case of the Connecticut couple, they wife’s old manager at GE was married to a financial advisor at JP Morgan. Using that connection they were able to get the husband an interview there. They made a similar connection for the wife in regards to the husband’s contacts at IBM Global Finance and Mercedes Benz Credit Corp.

The Least Effective Tactic

Being present when the other person is on the phone networking or speaking with a potential employer. It makes it hard for that person to relax and speak well. You need to leave the room so the other person is at ease.

Which Spouse is More Marketable?

In many cases we see a bottleneck in this area. Which spouse brings more to the table and is most likely to win the higher paying job first? This question has led to marital problems and needs to be handled carefully. The couple from Connecticut both agreed that “There is no least marketable spouse.” According to the wife, “We both worked in industries that took a hit. However, the Trust business is getting more complicated and i believe my husband will get a job soon. And as business lending starts to resume I am sure that my experience will open doors for me as well.” Living in Southern Connecticut, with a close proximity to the NY-Metropolitan area, also contributes to more potential opportunities in this case.

The Happy Ending

This story ends well and can serve couples world-wide with valuable advice & optimism. The husband landed the job at JP Morgan after connecting with the wives ex-manager’s spouse who worked there. The wife landed the job at Mercedes Benz Credit Corp after connecting with her husband’s contact at that company. This demonstrates the power of simple networking just within your own circles. The market may be difficult for job seekers especially dual-unemployed spouses. However, it is clearly improving and remaining optimistic can only help. Charge forward and stay confident. Dear Abby once said, “You might feel impatient when things are not as final as you hoped. Let go of the fear… and the world comes to you.”

About GoliathJobs & JobsOver50:
GoliathJobs.com is a free web-based employment service for students & alumni. We connect job seekers to employers via schools & alma maters. GoliathJobs creates partnerships with schools throughout North America which serve as liaisons. This model delivers a powerful edge to schools at no charge (and lifelong career services), a competitive edge to job seekers and high-quality results to employers. We believe that employment starts with education regardless of age, experience or educational level. 100% spam-free.

JobsOver50.com is a dedicated employment portal for baby boomers & retirees built on the same platform.

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